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Blurpee69

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I think Eva's aware that she lost the thread (as it were) somewhere along the line and neither endings feel all that satisfying so we're on the 'mopping up the arcs on the various LIs and second-string NPCs' phase. I think the project got away from her quite early on and she's been battling with it for a while. Too many variables. Too many options. All of them are fun and so none of them feels particularly satisfying and dramatic.
Stories are full of peaks and valleys as there are multiple rising actions, climaxes, and resolutions throughout; rarely is it ever one unless it's a short story. The beach house has been a long anticipated event, many storylines either got resolved or had a major breakthrough, which I'll go over later. It makes perfect sense that the chapter after the beach house is going to feel "off" because it's going to be a transitional chapter into the next series of plot threads. That feeling will only be amplified because we're waiting for it to be written instead of immediately moving on. Once the game is complete I doubt anyone will be saying this chapter doesn't fit. I believe that is what notstaged was getting at.

Yeah... I think the themes of the game played out in the run-up to the Beach house. There was an obvious conclusion to Lena's arc there - Is she going to have a boyfriend and do the whole waitress/singer thing or is she going to become a party girl who wants nothing more than to be paid to go to Dubai and have sex with old men? THAT was a conclusion for Lena.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Lena's "Party Girl" lifestyle hasn't even started yet, that's what Billy's event should be exploring. Her singing career is waiting on the "battle of the bands" event that was only just introduced in chapter 11. What Lena did with Seymour was lock in her Posh / luxurious lifestyle and potentially also her modeling career. Modeling yet to be determined as others can still take photos even without Seymour, and Wildcats also assumedly exists outside of Seymour's influence. None of Lena's story arcs really came to a close at the beach house, or even after, outside of locking in her romance with Ian or the throuple. Lena has a lot of story to go, I'd argue she actually has more than Ian at the moment to resolve.

Problem is that there isn't a similar arc for Ian... Ian has improved his life but he hasn't really had to make any serious decisions. He's gotten into working out, he got a promotion at work, he got a novel that might get published, but beyond that the only real choice before him is whether he gets serious about one girl or follows Jeremy in being a ho.
And, for the record, Ian has had plenty of resolutions to his story beats at the beach house too. If you need examples; Ian's relationship with Emma and how that effects Perry, Ian's relationship with Cindy and how that effects Wade, the Throuple, Ian can resolve to continue his playboy lifestyle or lock in on one woman. We just haven't seen those results yet, as we were covering Lena's PoV to start this chapter and haven't had an Ian PoV. We're still going to be waiting on Ian's book contest, hopefully next chapter, another round of the MMA tournament, what a fuckboy Ian will look like now that he's commited, and his living situation. Even if Ian has a good relationship with Perry he thinks to himself about moving out, and with a dedicated girlfriend, and his recent promotion, he has a good chance of moving out.
 

KillerKlown

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The Problem isn't/wasn't Eva doing two MCs, though that didn't help.

It was the bloated cast of characters that needed pruning. Lena has tons of lame fuck boys she can date/cuck Ian with, why are there so many? No need for Robert to exist; Jeremy already does what the black bouncer does...whatever.

Lean's LIs outside of Ian: Stan, Simon, Louise OR Ivy, Jeremy, and INSERT FUCK BOY HERE for Lena

Ian LIs outside of Lena should be: Holly, Cindy, Minerva, and Louise or Ivy

Tons of non characters who sucked up space and routes
 

Blurpee69

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The Problem isn't/wasn't Eva doing two MCs, though that didn't help.

It was the bloated cast of characters that needed pruning. Lena has tons of lame fuck boys she can date/cuck Ian with, why are there so many? No need for Robert to exist; Jeremy already does what the black bouncer does...whatever.

Lean's LIs outside of Ian: Stan, Simon, Louise OR Ivy, Jeremy, and INSERT FUCK BOY HERE for Lena

Ian LIs outside of Lena should be: Holly, Cindy, Minerva, and Louise or Ivy

Tons of non characters who sucked up space and routes
Thanks for your input? A little out of left field perhaps. You also only subtracted one love interest from each character and added a character that doesn't exist, so I'm not sure your solution is effective. Who the fuck is Simon?
 

KillerKlown

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Actually 2 LIs from each character, 3 really lol

EDIT: Which is a massive, first sweep pruning. I'd go further. I don't like Allison, but I'd keep her because she fits a niche but then I'd just merge her character with Gillian. Remove Stan from Lena, because old rich guy still fulfills that role. That or keep Jermey as sole fuck boy.
 
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RobertKing

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Thanks for your input? A little out of left field perhaps. You also only subtracted one love interest from each character and added a character that doesn't exist, so I'm not sure your solution is effective. Who the fuck is Simon?
I totally find the issue being two protagonists. The story lines are the same, there is no big fork that can happen becuase the characters are on the same road. GGGB, there was an opportunity to have MAJOR story forks. ORS can't have that, the story lines for Lena and Ian, are like two balls bouncing down an alley. The characters can change a bit, but the alley keeps the story limited.
 
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KillerKlown

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Those Major Forks are overrated and don't mean as much to explortation as they appear. Illusion of Choice done well is better than choice, ect, ect.
 

BlandChili

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I think GGGB did a pretty good job of keeping the story forks within the cutlery drawer for the endings though. Ash basically has - besides a few blind alleys such as the one where the literally dies - basically a "job" and "romance" ending showing what she ends up doing for a living and who, if any, she romanced. Then it shows other NPC's and optionally Ash alongside them if she's still fucking them by the game's end.

I don't see Ian and Lena as being too different, even in spite of the dual protag thing. Like Rob said though the alley of choices we traverse this time feels more narrow because there are two balls this time and they intersect paths here and there constantly, bouching against each other too. I'm faily certain Eva will end up doing something similar still, what do each of them do at the end of the game, are they dating and if not who're each of them with if any, who's still fucking and what happened to the rest of the cast.

I like these metaphors. The story being an "alley" feels nice and dirty. :LOL:
 

Hungover00

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I do kind of wonder how the story will string Ian and Lena together after the beach house if they broke up. If they were just friends before hand and had committed to other people (or any and all people), I can see how things could stay friendly. But if they blow up, rather than commit to any of the different relationship flavours, it seems kind of too far gone at that point to salvage.

I am getting more of a ~16 chapter vibe from the story at the moment, not a ~20 chapter, but there is a hell of a lot of plots to wrap up. Model shoot, living situation, book competition, battle of the bands, Ian's new job, MMA tournament, and the approaching end states for every character (especially Gillian, Axel, and Ivy). Things could definitely slow and spread if the late introduced characters get focused on. This red string is a winding.
 

BlandChili

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I do kind of wonder how the story will string Ian and Lena together after the beach house if they broke up. If they were just friends before hand and had committed to other people (or any and all people), I can see how things could stay friendly. But if they blow up, rather than commit to any of the different relationship flavours, it seems kind of too far gone at that point to salvage.

I am getting more of a ~16 chapter vibe from the story at the moment, not a ~20 chapter, but there is a hell of a lot of plots to wrap up. Model shoot, living situation, book competition, battle of the bands, Ian's new job, MMA tournament, and the approaching end states for every character (especially Gillian, Axel, and Ivy). Things could definitely slow and spread if the late introduced characters get focused on. This red string is a winding.
Easy answer is that they'll become mindless fucking machines. No processing power to be bitter then!
 
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Lolicon Kami

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I do kind of wonder how the story will string Ian and Lena together after the beach house if they broke up.
Wait is it confirmed that Ian and Lena will get together in the end no matter what :eek::eek::eek:

Holly's my fav chara so I put Ian and Holly together, and I'm making Lena hook up / flirt with literally every other dude under the sun to keep her far far faaaaar away from Ian. I want a Ian/Holly happy monogamy ending :love:

(Of course, if the gamer is actively selecting choices that put Ian and Lena together, there should also be a happy Ian/Lena ending.
 

GokutheG

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Wait is it confirmed that Ian and Lena will get together in the end no matter what :eek::eek::eek:

Holly's my fav chara so I put Ian and Holly together, and I'm making Lena hook up / flirt with literally every other dude under the sun to keep her far far faaaaar away from Ian. I want a Ian/Holly happy monogamy ending :love:

(Of course, if the gamer is actively selecting choices that put Ian and Lena together, there should also be a happy Ian/Lena ending.
No they're talking about how the story will go for the pair if they were together and split on bad terms.

They don't have to interact at all. The only ties between them would be Holly and possibly Emma and Perry and that's only if he helps at the cafe.
 

GokutheG

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Also Jeremy if Lena indulges in her BBC fetish. And Ivy if Ian manages to impress her.
I underestimated just how intertwined Eva is trying to make their lives. I guess that be interesting for the people who enjoy that pairing.

Although I doubt if they had a bad split Ivy would be on the side of Ian and vice versa.
 
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